I’m going to do my best to keep this from becoming a rant, but no promises.
Today, Etsy included a link to the cozy/cuff on their facebook page. For the most part, this was amazing. My page views blew up, and several people purchased cozy/cuffs of their very own.
But the link also sparked an interesting discussion about the price. More than a few people thought that $32 was an exorbitant amount of money to pay for the cozy/cuff. There were some people who jumped in to defend the price, but there were a lot of people that seemed to think I am making some ridiculous profit on the cozy/cuffs.
I am here to tell you that is just not true.
Here is just a small sampling of the cost factors that go into the cozy/cuff:
1. The Etsy costs are retail costs. When I wholesale the cozy/cuff, I have to cut the price in half. Which means I still need to build in profit for a wholesale price. And let me tell you, the profit margin on my wholesale price is pretty slim.
2. The cozy/cuff is made in small batches in the US. (If you read my original post – the cost of the cozy/cuff – you already know this.) And when you are buying materials and making products in small batches, the price is always going to be higher.
3. Not only do I not make the cozy/cuff in China – but I don’t live in China either. And you have to factor cost of living (not to mention cost of working) into the price of the objects. (Or the workers wages.) And while I don’t live in the most expensive part of the US, I certainly don’t live in the one of the cheapest places in the world. And I think its only fair that I pay myself a living wage. (And if you don’t believe that workers should be paid a living wage, please stop reading my blog. We cannot be friends.)
4. You also need to take into consideration the fact that the cozy/cuff is a bracelet. Here’s a little math for you: today I had a cozy/cuff on my person for approximately 9 hours. For 8 of those hours, it was on my wrist. It was on my coffee cup for about an hour. (Probably a little less than that, but its easier to round.) So given those numbers, 89% of the time, the cozy/cuff functioned as a bracelet. And $32 is a pretty reasonable price for a cuff bracelet. (Its actually fairly consistent with the pricing of other cuff bracelets.)
After all this, its pretty clear to me that I should do a better job marketing it as a bracelet first – one with the added bonus of being a coffee cup cozy. Hopefully that will help justify the cost in some people’s minds.
I should also probably stop reading internet discussions of my work.
I wish you were making scads of money on every cuff!
I think you may have a good point– I think folks will spend much more on bracelets than coffee cuffs, so the edgy, designer bracelet that is so much more might be a good angle.
Very interesting. I agree that $32 seems much more reasonable and in fact downright inexpensive for a cute piece of jewelry. Great marketing shift!
Some of those comments are total crap. Good for you for getting some nice sales today. A living wage is incredibly important and I can't believe that some people can't figure this out, or the importance of consistent retail pricing!
I'm clapping right now 🙂 I'm all in favor of a living wage for all of us!
I liked your rant. I think your price is right on.
Point #3 is the key. Bravo! Your price is totally reasonable. Don't sweat the cheapskates.
I'm actually happy for you! Your recent posts have been regarding marketing and presentation of the cozy/cuff. It sounds to me like you made a breakthrough!
People buy them, so you know you're right in your pricing.
Thanks everyone! Its great to get such positive support.
Robin Marie – I think you're totally right. It can be frustrating to read peoples' stupid comments, but it is helping me clarify my marketing strategy, which in the end is a good thing!
I just have to say you are awesome.
Thanks for writing about this. I love your products and have been wanting to tell you this for a while. If I had listened to all the negative feedback we got on our line 3 years ago I would never have continued. I respect that your product is made in small batches in the US and I love that it can also be a bracelet. Be brave and power through the negative stuff.
Good for you for turning a negative into a positive learning experience.
Sometimes I feel like I have to price my items so low just to stay competitive in my market. But posts like yours help me remember I can't undervalue myself.
Hi! I found this post via your very interesting article on the "Culture of Cheap". I think your prices are perfectly reasonable. I love your cuffs. Stand by them! I recently had a panic moment over slow January sales and started making quicker, cheaper items, but then the quality and uniqueness was lost… I like kait's comment "don't sweat the cheapskates".
Great blog Megan – the people leaving those comments didn't even take into account the time spent *making* an item, let alone marketing, packaging etc. But I bet they'd spend £300 on a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes just for the name, then justify it by telling you about the "workmanship" or that they're and "investment buy".
Love your work! Just read the comments and it proves people are totally unaware how a business is run.
However, I think for some people the issue may be the product, a cup cozy, and they just cannot imagine spending that sort of money on one. This is no reflection on the quality etc of your design. Therefore, I think you are totally right to market it more as a cuff. You open up a new market, and one where people, buying a piece of jewellery, will be more willing to spend that sort of money. Good luck!
We DO need to be recognized and compensated for our time and creativity designing and making quality and local goods for people to enjoy. I think deep down most people love buying unique hand-made items – and ones that double as bracelets, no less!
A psychiatrist is a phsiicyan who specializes in the diagnosis and treatment of mental disorders. I have a bachelor’s degree in the social services field. For several years, I have worked with children who have been diagnosed with mental disorders. It is upsetting to see children victimize at an early age and even more disturbing to see them as predators as early as 5 years of age, however knowing that I am doing my part to assist them in becoming functioning youths and adults is rewarding. The empathy, confidentiality and maturity of a medical assistant are definitely needed in this area. I enjoy establishing a rapport with these clients and helping them to find adequate coping skills to deal with their disorders, therefore I would like to work for a psychiatrist.I would not like to work for an emergency phsiicyan for several reasons. I will explain a few. Patients who come to the emergency center typically have serious injuries or trauma. I would not like to have my mind constantly focused on who is coming thru the door and how sever the prognosis is. Knowing myself, I know that would be my focus and I would not be very productive. Also, in the emergency room the staff has to be prepared for anything, I would prefer an area that focuses on a particular specialty. Most importantly, I do not wish to see excessive amounts of blood loss on a regular basis. Actually, not even a minimal amount of blood loss on a regular basis. Giving my opinion and thoughts about this specialty, I would not be an effective employee.
(I’m not sure if I’m posting this in the crocert place as I was unable to post it from the Dashboard.)The type of physician I would like to work with is a gerontologist. A gerontologist specializes in caring for the elderly. I have a fondness for our older population. They built out society and lived in a time that many of us can learn from. I would take great pride in caring for them as they age. In my opinion, working with a doctor that shares my passion and excitement would be the ideal work environment.The type of physician I would not be as excited to work with would be a proctologist. To be completely honest, I just don’t think I have what it takes to be in that environment. It’s important to be professional in any medical environment. I believe my sense of humor would not allow me to be as professional as I would need to be. I would also prefer not to work with ophthalmologist. Several years ago I spent a week with my grandfather at a specialist to have cataracts removed. I found it very difficult to watch the videos of my grandfather’s up coming procedures. It wasn’t difficult caring for my grandfather after surgery, but I must admit the pre-op was an experience that I would not want to assist in on a daily bases.
Great post, great points.
I think a lot of negative comments posted in response to etsy featuring something (a note: I didn't see this particular post or comments) have little to do with the actaul item and more to do with a dose – even if small – of resentment and even jealousy. You're getting featured, and they're not, and suddenly logic goes out the window. People assume you're rolling around in a hundred dollar bils from all of your etsy sales, keeping every cent of the $32 for yourself, and not realizing that we actually see little of the amount that we charge for our work.
I've mentioned this before, other places, but I honestly think that some people grumble at the idea of 'giving' another REAL LIVE person (who they 'know' from their shop, blog, etc.) their hard earned money. Some people love buying handmade, and others seem to find it really difficult to hand out money to a company with a face.
I think your cozy/cuff is incredibly unique and your price is well worth the product. I couldn't agree more with your first point. Many buyers will never understand that for many Etsy sellers, prices have to take into consideration the cut that brick & mortar stores take through consignment or wholesale. It's difficult finding a price that works well for venues such as Etsy but still allows us to make a profit from wholesale/consignment. It's frustrating when you hear over and over from boutique owners that your prices are too low, but then Etsy and craft show customers comment that the prices are too high. I will never understand why a customer is willing to pay more for the same item if they see it in their favorite boutique than they would if they bought it directly from the artist.
I think your new marketing angle will help. I wouldn't pay $32 for a coffee cosy (largely because I carry a reusable mug to coffee shops), but when you made me think of it as a piece of jewellry, it was much more appealing. Just my two cents.
Oh yes i saw those facebook postings too and i was shocked my mouth was just wide open the whole time reading it.
But i completely agree with you and fully support you one estyan to another.
Perhaps you should title them Bracelet cozy's. I think they're fantastic and worth exactly as they are priced. I wouldn't charge any less for them at all.
They're beautiful and such a great multifunction. You can wear a great piece of jewelry to work and use it as a cozy when you get your morning coffee which you may sip on for 30 minutes and then put the cuff back on anyway, right ? 🙂
Haha my brother lived with *only* a rice cokeor for years on -until he met an oven. The rice cokeor and the oven got married, my brother too (but with a charming lady!), and they’ve been living happily altogether
Since there is so many fields of spictaleies that I have a choice of, I still really can’t choose one. So I am going base on my personal experiences. My original goal back in high school and maybe even before that, was to work in a Neonatal ICU! I had a brother that passed before he had his first birthday from heart complications, and that year I spent a lot of time at hospitals with my parents. My goal the first couple of years was to work with babies just like him. That was until I had my own children, I would of still loved to have worked in that career field but the heart ache I would most likely endure when one of those babies did not make it home. I could not have handled!On to more positive experiences, I have worked with the elderly and Geriatrics interests me very much. Being surrounded with people that have lived a fulfilled life is so much more rewarding. Even though at times it is the ending stages of their lives, and it is sad when someone does pass. It’s less of a heartache to know that most of the time they are ready to move on. They are still very dependent on you and when you are able to help them with their needs that’s the most rewarding of all, plus you form a special relationship with the patients and their families.
thanks to everyone who commented! your support means a lot to me!
amy kelly – i think people have this mistaken assumption that if they buy directly from an artist, they will be able to get some kind of deal (whether its through Etsy or at a craft show) I have no idea where this comes from
I agree wholeheartedly with everyone that a living wage is important. Artists and designers should be able to make a living for making our world a more beautiful (and productive) place! I think we can all agree that a throw-away/"fast food" society is not beautiful or sustainable either!
I would certainly pay $32 for a bracelet or a cozy cuff. I'm proud of you for not lowering the price of your cuff. Some people think that artists should not get paid because it is a 'hobby' or it is 'fun.' They fail to realize that it is also a job for many. With that said THANK YOU for sticking up for all of us!
Sorry to hear that hun.
at the end of the day if some one wants somthing they will buy it and if they dont they will gripe about the price. I think the cozy cuffs are innovative in idea and timeless and classic in design. I would live to purchase some to feature in my upcoming shoots and prehaps sell.
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We have had the same issue and only sell our discounted/discontinued collars via etsy. Our regularly priced items don't sell. There are so many other collar makers that sell for much cheaper on etsy, we can't compete and make a profit; some people sell their collars on etsy for less than our cost for supplies (we use higher quality supplies)!
I think it's tough for people who do sell wholesale to use etsy at retail pricing. Our collars are $36 and sell like crazy in dog boutiques. But etsy is full of people who don't sell wholesale and in turn sell at wholesale prices.
I think it's ridiculous that people expect to go on etsy and expect handmade items to be cheap! I buy all my supplies in the US, support my local fabric store, sewing machine store, etc. It simply costs more to make something in the US. Our collars are a lot higher quality too-better hardware, organic webbing, etc.In addition, we have a business license, pay taxes, etc-costs that some etsy shops do not have.
Quality cost more, US made costs more, and no sweatshops costs more. Is the extra expense worth supporting our economy, supporting local businesses and decreasing child labor and sweatshops?
That is the question the consumer should be answering.
Personally I think it's pricey, but then I wouldn't pay $3 for a cup of coffee. I might pay $35 for a bracelet 🙂
As I mentioned elsewhere what we value and what we think something is worth is VERY subjective. If people enjoy it, and think its worth it to them, who are others to decide what their worth and price should be.
ps. I think it being a cuff AND a bracelet is really cool.
The popular comment layout is common, so it is easily recognized scanning to post a comment. If the comment section is in a different format, then I am going to spend more time trying to decipher what everything means.
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Awe:) I agree with your very last sentence, I think its kind of like famous people reading the tabloid press about themselves. IT DOESNT HELP!
Thank you so much for writting this article, I hope that the more people in our industry, or even possibly buyers read this type of thing they will realize what real time talent and hard work we put into making our products!
And I also think that selling online may have a "buy cheap" stigma which hopefully with time can change. I mean I go into small boutiques all the time and they have $80 cuff bracelets in there!
For me this is a relatively easy qutsieon, but has a pretty complex answer. The specialty I have actually looked forward to working with is OB/GYN. I find that the ability of a woman’s body to produce a child, endure the amount of abuse it takes during a pregnancy, and the amount of pain endured during delivery is amazing. The joy of being able to be present as life enters the world is truly one of the greatest moments in life. To me that would be the best possible option. I also would love working in the operating room with a surgeon. I have experienced the OR quite a few times, and have been on both sides of the table. I have to say I would love to work with any surgeon in the OR except for Orthopedics. The reason behind that is the surgery’s are pretty brutal when it comes to the skeletal system. Having been in the OR with an Orthopedic surgeon and seeing the use of the saws, hammers and other heavy equipment in order to perform the surgery just sends chills up my spine. I know that type of surgery is not for me. I think my favorite surgeries have to be that of the abdominal cavity. The specialties that I would least like to work for are few, and for simple reasons. Pediatrics is not a specialty for me since I have four children of my own. My Aunt is a neonatal nurse practitioner and I followed her in high school and saw the good, the bad, and the ugly so I can honestly say I could not emotionally handle that type of position. Podiatry is also an area I could not see myself working. The reason behind this is pretty silly, but here goes, I very much dislike other peoples feet especially if they are not well kept. I know in the medical field you will encounter feet on a daily basis, but I could not mainly work with feet on an everyday basis. My last specialty is Orthopedics for the reasons I noted above about the barbaric nature of the surgeries and treatments for the musculoskeletal system. Its just not for me.
I am currently finhiisng up my BA in Child Development and Family Studies and thus far I have only work with children from 2 weeks to adolescent while helping support their families. The Physician that I would want to work under is an Obstetrics (OB) because they are in direct contact with pregnant women and their children during pregnancy. I would choose this particular specialty for a variety of reason such as having the opportunity to see individuals become parent for the first time, seeing how much love is surrounded in the process, being there to help the mothers while there in a vulnerable state. One of my main reasons is because I think that the whole birthing process is fascinating and to be able to be a part of family’s lives while going through this process, I imagine to be extremely rewarding.A of physician specialty that I would least want to work with would be a psychiatrist. Although I believe that psychiatrist do some spectacular work and help a lot of people through difficult situations I personally believe that this job would be to emotionally draining and overwhelming for me. This makes me question whether or not I would be able to handle it. When I set out to do a job my goal is to do the best that I can and I don’t feel that I could successfully do this job to the best of my ability.
I think your cuffs look fantastic and I would definitely pay the price if I needed one.
I've recently opened my etsy store and was worried about pricing. I sell doorstops and matching magnet sets and found that many door stops are about $15 where as mine are $21.99 but I think they are alot nicer and better finished so I'm sticking to my guns.
Thank you for your post as it makes me feel better about my decision to charge for the time and detail put into my products.
Excellent change in strategy too by the way.
A little late – but I just saw this and must comment. To think that most of those comments likely came from other crafters and artists! That's gross and sad.
Recently, there was a comment on Design Sponge that criticized the price of some beautifully designed and screen printed tea towels. Grace, of course, defended the pricing, pointing out that it was actually on the "cheap" side. Then the commenter came back to say, "I am a big fan of handmade, don’t get me wrong. I exclusively purchase gifts from Etsy!" – but maybe just didn't value tea towels enough.
People in the etsy community often like to say that they "support handmade." But buying handmade is not the same as supporting handmade. Supporting handmade encompasses economic and moral support, showing in words and wallet that you believe handmade has a value that exceeds the cost of supplies and an hourly wage. Simply buying on etsy because you realize that you can actually save money by buying handmade, and get better quality to boot, is not supporting handmade. It's just buying handmade.
So much of the defense of pricing talks about quality materials and the amount of work, but that assumes that you are just a worker, when in fact you're an artist.
You are charging for the time it takes to design an item, both it's visual look and the production process. You are charging for your knowledge and talent. You are charging for the time that it took to develop the skills and techniques in the first place. Nevermind the obvious: marketing, photographing, electricity, rent, etc.
I don't think the petty members withing the etsy community deserves the time and effort of a defense, but it is nice to see others call them out!
Amen Heather!!!
Yeah what she said, exactly:)
I'm sorry you felt the need to defend yourself (not a criticism).
The point is, the whiners are not your customer so why would you care?
There are people who will always try to count your money meaning one can be reduced to justifying their pricing. *Your* customer isn't going to count your money so why should you? Money counters really annoy me.
Hi Megan,
I've come in pretty late to the conversation, but I just wanted to say that I think your work is TOTALLY WORTH every cent you're charging.
I feel sad about people having said those things about your work, and all I can say is that I hope it has helped you grow stronger and know there are WAY more people supporting your work than not
C xx
I am late to the comments, I know, I just found your articles via Etsy… you know you don't actually have to defend your prices don't you? The only person you have to please is a client, and your personal work ethic. You have buyers enough said.
The fact is that women ARE entitled to make a decent living without being criticized for doing it. Where is it written that women entrepeneur can not make a profit? Why should it be a problem for you to make something for your time? God forbid a women business person could be treated with courtesy and respect for making a living and looked up to for trying to make their lives better.
Never mind the critics. They aren't worth your time. Anyone who can sell their product at a profit has made a significant accomplishment in this day and age.
Best
D